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Laser

As a kid, I'd watch cartoons and shows that would depict lasers which could burn stuff. I always thought it'd be cool to have a laser that could actually burn stuff, but alas even laser pointers were out of reach in those days.

Then in the late nineties I was able to get a red laser pointer for my birthday. The thing cost $100, but damn, it was a laser! Of course, being a laser pointer, the laser itself was not very powerful. The sticker itself said that the light output was < 5mW.

Well times have changed, and now red laser pointers are about $5 at most places. The cool ones now are green laser pointers, which are substantially brighter because the eye is more sensitive to green light. At stores like ThinkGeek.com, they can run about $100 each, but I was able to buy one off of eBay for about $30 shipped.

Now about this time I ran across some site that had a bunch of people participating in a "group buy" for a set of Class IIIb green lasers. Group buys are where a group of people approach a manufacturer and guarantee them a large purchase of a certain product in exchange for wholesale prices, or at least a discount. Now a word on lasers and their class designations:

- Class I lasers are safe enough that they can't do any damage to the human body (usually eyes). They're the lasers found in CD players and junk like that.

- Class II lasers are up to 1mW in power, but are weak enough that they generally don't pose any hazard to eyes (unless you're an idiot and look into them for half an hour).

- Class IIIa lasers are the typical laser-pointer laser. They can cause eye damage if directly shown into the eye for multiple seconds, but are generally safe, and eye reflexes are usually good enough to blink before anything really bad happens. Such lasers are less than 5mW output power.

Now we come to Class IIIb lasers:

- Class IIIb lasers are from 5 to 500mW lasers. They're the kind that can burn stuff, but not very quickly. The army uses such lasers to point out enemy position for rockets or other air weaponry, but only uses these more powerful ones because they have greater distance penetration. Lasers in the 500mW range can be a fire hazard for most ignitable material, but those lower, like 80-150mW will sting the skin, but only burn materials which absorb the light well (like electrical tape, or balloons). Class IIIb lasers can cause blindness very quickly, and therefore have safety measures in the form of a 5-second delay, aperture cover, operational lights, a keylock, and a remote-operations plug.

So I got myself a PGA-III-A 80mW Class IIIb green laser, seen below next to the green laser pointer I bought earlier. It cost me $205 shipped, not bad for a laser of this power and quality, but definitely a frivolous purchase. Other laser dealers charge an arm and leg for lasers like these, and some are known to burn out from lack of proper laser cooling. Oh well.

Note the plug on the right side. The laser will not turn on without it plugged in. The laser measures about 8"x1" (~20cm x 2.5cm):


The beam is very visible at night, light a light saber, though not quite that bright. The dot appears white, but is actually super-bright green, and the blooming around the dot is caused by the optics (your eyes will produce that too).


Here's the warning label. The laser was manufactured in China, but it meets FDA regulations:


A comparison in brightness between my green laser pointer and the 80mW laser. The 80mW laser is at least 16x more powerful.


Finally, I went outside and shined this, taking care to avoid any planes that might be flying around (don't want to be brought up on terrorist charges). You can clearly see the beam at night and it is really quite cool to wave it around towards the sky. This photo here is a 15-second exposure shot using a digital camera. You can see the clouds moving.


To prevent my eyes from being fried by this laser, I bought some $13 Laser-enhancement goggles. These goggles are for making red-laser level dots more visible to the eyes, but they do a fine job of blocking out green light. The bright laser dot looks like a mere yellow dot on the wall, about as bright as shining a dim flashlight through a piece of paper. It almost works too well.
posted by Bionic-Badger on Tuesday 15th August 2006, 02:48:19read 1377 times

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The Mammoth on Tuesday 15th August 2006, 04:24:28 (#37575)
cool, now I want one :(
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no_wookies on Tuesday 15th August 2006, 04:59:34 (#37577) (journal)
Fuck the 80mW...where do I get the 500mW ones??
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Bionic-Badger on Tuesday 15th August 2006, 05:16:28 (#37580) (journal)
Those ones are quite expensive. You're talking thousands of dollars. The blue ones are really expensive too, with a good deal being $1000 or so. Too rich for my blood.

You can actually modify existing green laser pointers to output more than 5mW. Some go as high as 25mW, which is quite bright and enough to pop balloons and stuff. Since the laser pointers don't dissipate heat too well, you can only have the laser on for short bursts. Even that $30 one I have gets kind of warm after prolonged use.
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Kripple on Tuesday 15th August 2006, 12:36:45 (#37595)
OMG I SOO WANT ONE NOW ILL GIVE MY LEFT TESTICLE....oh nvm.... i alrdy gave it for a can of beer
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mardicas on Thursday 17th August 2006, 03:36:25 (#37662)
you can get em also by think geek.
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Bionic-Badger on Thursday 17th August 2006, 05:37:35 (#37664) (journal)
Well, you can get a green laser pointer at ThinkGeek.com and pay their hefty price, or buy a better--if only less expensive--one at http://www.atlasnova.co m/ . They're pointers not modules (Class IIIb lasers), so it won't kill your eyes--immediately that is. You can also get one of those Class IIIb-powered ones from that website too, but you have to call him first to make sure you're not just some kid or a member of al Qaeda, or at the very least know what responsibilities it entails.
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[skorpion] on Tuesday 15th August 2006, 05:42:03 (#37581) (journal)
This is fucking cool.
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r0XX0r on Tuesday 15th August 2006, 06:54:06 (#37582) (journal)
got any small firearm/bazooka/minigun to attach it to?
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Bionic-Badger on Tuesday 15th August 2006, 20:42:42 (#37634) (journal)
Just a BB-gun pistol and a toy scalemodel magnum from back in the days when they didn't require manufacturers to make the toy guns look like toys.

:(
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Timb0r on Tuesday 15th August 2006, 06:58:43 (#37583)
this is awesome. after reading this i want one, too.
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haze on Tuesday 15th August 2006, 09:32:23 (#37584) (journal)
so... what do you do with it? walk around and burn stuff?
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Nonsens on Tuesday 15th August 2006, 15:15:16 (#37608)
but ofcourse!
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Bionic-Badger on Tuesday 15th August 2006, 18:39:06 (#37627) (journal)
Yeah, I've been asked that a bit, and really, I don't know. I guess it's just to have it and play around with. There really isn't a good justifiable reason to have or buy one, other than it's cool.
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surgeonbob on Tuesday 15th August 2006, 09:57:31 (#37585) (journal)
HAHAHAHA FUCKING AWESOME

now you have to shine it into the cockpits of incomming comercial jets ;-)
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Bionic-Badger on Tuesday 15th August 2006, 20:09:51 (#37631) (journal)
For my 15-minutes of fame and 10-years at Guantanamo!
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Ralphs_Alter_Ego on Tuesday 15th August 2006, 10:35:12 (#37586) (journal)
Sweet!!

I've been waiting for those Class IIIb units to drop to where I could justify an addition to my gadget collection.

Have you bounced it off the Moon yet?

I thought green was a harder wavelength to do & in that made it more "powerful". Then again, I was dropped on my head as a baby...
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Bionic-Badger on Tuesday 15th August 2006, 18:57:46 (#37628) (journal)
No moon yet, though there are some accounts that it is possible off the set of mirrors that were left there in the 70s. I don't think it'll make it through the smog of the city though, so I'd need to try it during a new moon while camping or something.

Yeah, it is harder to achieve and requires more power from the diode. Whereas in a red laser, the diode can output the light directly, the green laser has to use a relatively powerful infrared laser and send that beam through a series of crystals to achieve the correct frequency. Even then there is a lot of invisible IR that comes out and that requires a filter too.
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brownmullet on Tuesday 15th August 2006, 11:49:28 (#37591) (journal)
Very cool! Toys are fun, are they not?

So, uhh... can I have it?
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Trogdor the Burninator on Tuesday 15th August 2006, 13:47:01 (#37600) (journal)
I just adore geeks.
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Pizzaburst on Tuesday 15th August 2006, 13:56:22 (#37602) (journal)
A fucking LASER! And even one that burns things! What could be more cool than that?! You are like king of the neighborhood now 8)
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fulper on Tuesday 15th August 2006, 14:26:48 (#37605) (journal)
i'am getting one, one quick Zap! and she will never know what hit her...
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BalkanFM on Tuesday 15th August 2006, 14:43:29 (#37606)
how much power is lost with distance? would i still be able to sting pedestrians from my window with a IIIclass around 30mW?
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Bionic-Badger on Tuesday 15th August 2006, 20:01:48 (#37629) (journal)
It starts to sting my hand after a few seconds, but the problem with the lasers is that they diverge over distances, and so it may not be as effective over longer distances. It'd probably sill be good enough to sting though at around 30ft (~10m).

It'd be hard for them not to notice the light too. Everything lights up around the point where it hits. If you were to remove the crystals and recalibrate the lens, you could make an infrared laser though, which would be very dangerous (especially to eyes, etc.) but invisible and quite powerful. There are a lot of regulations on those though.
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Malverde on Tuesday 15th August 2006, 16:41:31 (#37619) (journal)
Did you watch this movie?

Real Genius
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Bionic-Badger on Tuesday 15th August 2006, 20:03:34 (#37630) (journal)
They should include a scene where "Mitch" goes permanently blind after a beam bounces off the reflective surface of a button and into his eyes. Comedy gold!
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