Thank goodness some MPs have sense and saved us from this ridiculous bill.
But 28 days is still far to long. I only hope the first time this comes
into court the judge isn't in someone's pocket.
This isn't about 'terror'. This is about the state using
'terror' to spread fear throughout the populace and control it
so. Ultimate goal: totalitarianism?
Why are we in Iraq 'giving them democracy', while at home, giving
ours all up.
Why all of a sudden do we need to give up our freedom to protect it.
What exactly is wrong with our current laws? Why do we now need these
absurd, radical new laws giving up our freedom, and liberty, and rights
because of so called 'terrorism'.
How can we have a democracy when the state can place anyone it likes in
prison for whatever reason they like, without having to tell the person
why.
Tony Blair is an immoral, unjust man. He is not fit to serve office and
has no right to call himself a Christian.
It makes you wonder how Britain coped with the actual terrorism of the IRA
during the '70s, '80s and '90s.
Over in Australia, things are hitting a critically hilarious point. After
trying to copy what the American presidents have been doing for the last
half century and weilding fear as a weapon on their own populace in order
to subjugate the masses and give themselves more power, they actually seem
genuinely SURPRISED that all of a sudden there's some anti-Muslim
sentiments!
The other week, Australian Prime Minister, John Howard, announced that he,
in his words, "had some intelligence that (he), er, didn't have
before the weekend" (a phrase that made me rofl just on it's
own). This intelligence was to do with a Terror threat. He refused to give
any details, where it was from, where the attack will be.
One or two days after, there was, coincidentally, an attempt to pass a
legislation that served nothing more than to give the goverment more power,
under the label of another Anti-Terror law. I think it has since been
refused, us Aussies not being NEARLY as stupid as we look or sound.
The fact that the new legislation was within one or two days of this claim
of a threat made me laugh, really really hard.
Note: I'm not a war conspiracy theorist or anything. I just enjoy
watching mainstream news once every few weeks for some laughs.
I must also laugh, the dood said it wrong, but intelligence also means
something like "news" ie. CIA - Central Intelligence Agency
has othing to do with the IQ of people.
The new legislation was passed - and was part of the reason for the
raids in melbourne and sydney this week. The new legislation allowed
the AFP to arrest people for terrorism when there wasn't a
specific target yet.
Ah, FUCK!
You're right. I was thinking about a different one.
Yeah, something to add to that legislation, too, for all
non-Aussies: If arrested (abducted!) and taken into custody,
questioned (or as close to actual torture as we're allowed),
interrogated...
You're not allowed to talk about it afterwards, and
it's up to you to create your own alibi for what you did
during the time you were in custody.
That's right, the burden of suppression of information is on
YOU. Or you get arrested =P
Or lets see how you deal with getting a phone call that your
brother just went up in flames in the World Trade Center as
you watch it crash to the ground on the telly and you get to
go tell your mother and his wife and children that he's
never coming home and there's a good chance we wont
find his body. Then you can come lecture me on militant
Islamic rights and principals in ALL nations.
Is it better to take terror suspects off the
streets and save a potentially deadly senario from
happening, which by the way bomb making chemicals,
components and computers were seized, or do you
sit back and let the 9/11 senario play out, shrug
afterwards and say "Well...at least their
freedom was intact." That's what
I'm responding to.
well in defence of howard..(why i dont know).. but the laws were
passed..and 4 days later they arrested 18 guys(sand men) who were
plotting to blow up shit..so..has it helped protect us?..or helped us
lose more liberties??
No nation now has the luxury of isolationism. The fight's
coming to a town near you, so you can either be proactive and
alive with some diminished liberties or you can do nothing and
die when they bomb your town, but hey you'll be free to rot
in peace.
KINGSTON, Jamaica (AP) -- Two men were shot dead and a
police officer injured in the fourth day of
gang-related violence in downtown Kingston.Monday. The
violence that started on Friday has now left eight
people dead and 11 people injured, police said.
Police said the violence is being waged between gangs
in the neighboring communities of Tel Aviv and
Matthew's Lane, sparked by the shooting death of a
Tel Aviv resident last week. On Monday, two men were
killed by several gunmen in the central Kingston area,
police said. Constable Wayne Santouse of the Special
Anti Crime Task Force was shot and injured by gunmen in
west Kingston, police said. He was with a patrol that
came under fire from gunmen who then fled on foot,
police said. Three police cars also were damaged. There
were no arrests. "The areas are still tense but
the security forces are present to help put things
under control," said police spokeswoman Constable
Natasha Green. Military helicopters and soldiers
deployed on Sunday were maintaining a presence in the
areas, but officials would not say how many were there.
A curfew also has been enforced to keep people off the
streets after dark. Still, Deputy Police Superintendent
James Forbes said the security forces, especially the
police, are short by at least 1,000 personnel. Gangs
with clashing political loyalties dominate several
areas of the city, especially west Kingston, where
gunfights flared in May, leaving nearly 100 people dead
in three months. Yeah...they sound like real
peaceful people.....mon!
im glad blair got beat. i hope he goes the same way maggie did as a
disgraced snivling little cunt. the laws work fine as they are, we took the
best that the irish (which was a lot worse than the muslims have managed
thus far and they followed rules) could dish out and hit the ground
running. im just worried as to who is going to take over after blair cause
that david cameron is a nutter and if the country votes against labour then
the torries are gonna win cause despite being the best of a bad bunch the
lib dems are never gonna fucking win.
at least its not as bad as in the us were they can hold you indefinatly
without access to a lawer. i still blame the yanks for putting all these
ideas into blairs head the only thing they could put into it now that would
help would be a bullet.
we currently have a lot of the same bullshit laws on our books (ie.
the Patriot Act), and it is sickening.
...but let us put this into perspective.
right or wrong, the IRA wants England out of Ireland. AlQaida (and similar
orginizations) want to destroy the entire christian world.
the US has born the majority of AlQaida's destructive force, but this
is starting to change. as other nations around the world begin to feel
their bite, we will see more of these kind of laws.
maybe this kind of extreme response is the only way to combat this
extremist problem. maybe not. only our grandchildren will know for sure.
gu3st on Wednesday 9th November 2005, 16:06:44 (#23635)
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Islam teaches the destruction of the Jewish state and to wipe the Jews
off the face of the planet (Christians the same thing). They've
been blowing themselves up with nailbombs in Israel long before any US
involvment in any Islamic States.
Lol and about Blair as a Christian like Tress said. Acting like
it's a good thing or something...
Christians are just as bad as Islam (Muslims) and both copied the Jews
who believed in God 2000 (2500 at least before Islam) years before
Christianity was even started. If God is omnipotent as is taught then
he purposely split man into warring religious states. So either God is
a hypocrite and evil or he doesn't exist.
That's all this is about, Bush himself has used religion as a
cause for invasion and killing terrorists and the Islamics using Jihad
to justify their actions.
God's bringing Armageddon. You can believe it or not. Sooner
or later the pieces are gonna fall into place and it's will
NOT be pretty for mankind. So, as a Bible thumper, as you put it,
I'll pray for you, but Lucy.....you gone have sum
'splain'in to do when Judgement comes. Sorry about
that.
PS This may seem like a religious fight, but
really...it's about the oil and wealth.
Religion is just a good smoke screen. It's a
big dodo sandwich and the worlds getting to take a
big,wet bite.
i'm a heathen (i gave up on religion years ago) and i agree
tha christians are, at least, almost as bad as muslims.
but it doesn't really matter what religion you are,
it is what religion that the muslim world considers your nation
to be that determines whether or not you are a target.
gu3st on Wednesday 9th November 2005, 16:24:18 (#23642)
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Well I was looking into it and according to Jewish belief
Christians and Muslims are just extensions (copy cats) and
are false and that the real Messiah (Jesus) has not been
born yet, all that according to Jewish belief. Was why the
killed Jesus. Islam preaches that the Jews and Christians
are real but just intepret the books wrong. Then Christians
call Islam flat out false and Jews as real but interpreting
the scriptures wrong. It's all a bunch of bullshit if
you ask me.
Man... if Zeus was still around he could kick this new age
Gods ass around.
Er dude, Islam doesn't teach anything like that. In fact,
when Islam was a real, *the* power in the world, it was quite
tolerant of other religions (well, at least those that came from
Judaism). It was only after the rulers started a more
closed-door policy towards the exchange of ideas and tolerance of
different ideas that the empire started to crumble.
It's groups like Hamas that want to drive the Jews into the
sea.
In all the cases listed above, its the humans who have twisted
religious doctrine towards their own motives, not the other way
around.
gu3st on Thursday 10th November 2005, 13:43:14 (#23703)
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You're so wrong it hurts. The destruction of the Jewish
state is actually one of the "prophecies" that are
supposed to come true in Islamic teachings, before the end
of the world. Muslims will kill the Jews wiping them off the
face of the planet.
In case you haven't noticed these three pretty major
religions are very very hypocritical of themselves. I'm
only pointing out facts (according to their scriptures), if
their scriptures are facts then those not trying to kill
Jews are hypocrits. Get what I'm saying? These
religions are piles of bullshiat and no matter how many
times they say they're tolerant they aren't. They
cause segregation and war. Yeah there might be some
interpreting the scriptures in their own ways, but that
makes them hypocrits since without that religion they would
not understand the concept of God to begin with and these
Bibles are supposedly factual.
As an American, I agree that the current leaders of our respective
countries are going off the preverbial deep-end, but they're scared to
death that inaction on their part is going to be seen as a green light for
terrorist to bring the fight onto their shores on a more frequent basis. So
in effect, they see diminished freedom as the answer to fighting domestic
terrorism. The world could have rocked on with Saddam as head of Iraq, but
after 9/11 the Americans and British needed a Hitler type to point the
finger at and say "There's the Evildoer! If we can get him, the
problem is solved". All it did was pour gasoline on a smoldering
situation and polarized Islamic extremist to further action. Now I love our
soldiers and I think they're a brave lot to be in harms way for us,
but I'm not sure the ends justify the means anymore. Once you fire the
bullet, you can't make it go back down the gun barrell.
I agree.
People will never like their politicians. They will always find
something wrong.
This is why all that "Dubya is a shithead" stuff pisses me
off. People that say stupid phrases like this should also say what
they think should be done. What did those stupid Kerry voters think?
That Kerry is a non-war dickhead that will take all soldiers back and
say sorry to Iraq? Bullshit! We live in a fucked up world, so just go
out, have some beer and fine sex.
gu3st on Wednesday 9th November 2005, 16:20:56 (#23641)
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Hitler was raised Roman Catholic and as Christian teachings taught to
hate the Jews for killing Jesus that's what he grew up with and
when he started the killing guess who he made sure to try and
exterminate?
Now we've a very very religious president killing Islamics which
according to Christian belief is a false religion and Islamics using
the excuse, Jihad for their actions.
It's really kind of scary, as a lot of Americans are Christian
they've been trying to chop that line that seperates Church and
State, we'll end up going back in time much like the Dark Ages.
The Islamics have no seperation of church and state and look at them
now? Islam is the Government.
gu3st on Wednesday 9th November 2005, 16:27:15 (#23645)
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We're coming very close to either bringing church and
state together or keeping it seperate. That's why our
fore-fathers attempted to keep Religion out of politics.
Nazi doctrine attacked any form of religion,Christian or
otherwise, so that arguement is junk. Hitler saw a sect of
society that had wealth during the worst of the Depression and
used the deperation of the German people at that time as a
license to steal from Jews and kill them off. They need an enemy
from within, so they could deal with the losing of WWI as not
being a military defeat, but a struggle of ideologys; Christian
vs.Jew. Hitler then replaced that struggle so that National
Socialism was the new religion vs. Judism, because Nazism could
embrace the hate doctrines Christianity was supposed to
oppose.
Secondly, there is no doctrine in the US Constitution that
proposes separation of Church and State. It only deems that there
will be no Official religion of state, like Nazism was to Germany
or the Church of England to the British. Give Americans a little
credit for intellect, although we haven't got leaders who
are using it right now.
gu3st on Thursday 10th November 2005, 00:06:12 (#23662)
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You're very very wrong about Christianity in Germany.
It was very BIG and well before World War II Hitler himself
talked about Christians duties to kill the Jewish swine. No,
it wasn't just Hitler. This was what was preached and
in hundreds of books all over Germany. I'll quote from
this website. Even if you deny that Hitler was a Christian
even though he was razed strictly Christian (Roman Catholic)
and that anti-jewish beliefs were taught everywhere in
Germany. You still can't deny the fact that
Christianity was everywhere in Germany. http://www.nobel
iefs.com/Hitler1.htm
"To deny the influence of Christianity on Hitler and
its role in World War II, means that you must ignore history
and forever bar yourself from understanding the source of
German anti-Semitism and how the WWII atrocities
occurred."
and as for separation of church and state I was referring to
this...
I think what was disputed was not the origin of
anti-semitism in Hitler, but Christianity under
national socialism.
And you cannot claim Hitler went to catholic church
every sunday. It is known that he introduced new rites
for baptism and marriage where people showed allegiance
and pronounced their wows to the Führer and not to any
Christian God.
Boy I hate to be a spoil sport,but....Hitler turned away from Christianity
in his early teens and sought his destiny in the occult. He later joined
with associates who also embraced those teachings and together they built a
state guided by the same occultic principals and goals in todays New Age
groups. Hitler first made contact with occultists Goerg Lanz Von Leiberfels
and Guido Von List after coming across there occult-racist magazine
"Ostara" in Vienna in 1909. Both Lanz and List were obsessed with
blood purity, the Jewish threat, Holy GRail Legends(Lanz started a cult
called the "Order of New Templars" that imitated the traditions
of Occultic Grail lore) and a New World Order. Both embraced the backward
Swastika as a central symbol, borrowing it from Hindu mysticism. NOt only
did Hitler regard Christianity as a defective, failed enterprise, he saw
himself as replacing both its God and its Christ. German youth were
indoctrinated from birth to pray to Hitler, who they were taught was sent
from Heaven to protect them. Nazi approved sermons in German churches
proclaimed "Adolf Hitler is the voice of Jesus Christ." And to
quote Adolf himself, " If Jehovah has lost all meaning for us Germans,
the same must be said of Jesus Christ, his son... He[Jesus] certainly lacks
those characteristics which we would require to be a true German. Indeed,
he is as disappointing, if we read the record correctly, as is his father,
the God of Isreal according to Christian tradition." I got lots more
here.
As Hollywood-stupid as it is, they actually got that one right.
Hitler was combing the globle for magical relics to help in his
fight for world domination.
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